The following are representative e-mails received by WTP
following our March 18, 2007 article regarding the Israel Lobby

Letters have been reproduced as written including misspellings, etc. .
Information identifying senders has been redacted
 

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:49 AM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Mid-East Policy

Israel is the apple of Gods eye, and gods word says we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem and that God has given the land of Israel to the sons of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob. {Gen.48-vs,3 and 4 .and Jacob said to Joseph, "God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan,{Israel} and he blessed me and said to me , I am going to make you fruitful and increase your numbers, I will make of you a company of peoples, and will give this land to your offspring after you for a perpetual holding.--------- The whole earth belongs to God, he can give it to whom he chooses and he chose the sons of Jacob(later called Israel) ...Jimmy Carters book left out a lot of important facts and his book is very wrong and misleading because of this, sort of like the I.R.S. Please remember this GOD takes a very dim view of any nation that divides up his land...America Watch Out!
 

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:40 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Please do not multiply causes.

Dear Bob, 

            Please!  I am begging you not to get caught up in the anti Jew – anti Israel foolishness of a lot of us who claim to be patriots.   

            I personally believe that the only reason for America to have its validity in this world is because we are the repository of those folk who will be eventually going back to Israel...that includes those who are not Jewish but unidentified of the lost tribes.  And again, I may not even be one of those.  BUT the Bible basis for the type of freedoms we have (check out John Locke’s treatises for Government, book two especially) are based the very scriptures which shout condemnation for any country who is against God’s infrastructure for returning his erring ethnic Israeli children back to the land for punishment and then eventual salvation.  I am Baptist and I am entirely against the so-called Baptist Jimmy Carter’s take on the Jewish question. 

            Name every vindictive accusation against the Jew and many cases this will be true for those writhing under the fears and terrors that God has afflicted upon them for their basic disobedience (and not just for the death of our Savior Jesus Christ) who are involved in such schemes and abominations.  But that makes the case for the Bible’s prediction of the eventual return of the Jews to the land as governors of Israel and of Jerusalem (see Zechariah 12-14).  Their government will, indeed, be a mess, but that is not what God is interested in...or you admit that government is a master and not truly a servant of the people.  He is interested in the people, and he declares that when he come to visit them, two thirds of the people will perish and the third (that is probably one out of every three Jews we see today who eventually end up there) of them, an elect, will be saved in a day. 

            The REAL solution is to get our government OUT of Israel’s way.  The government does that by those handouts stolen through our taxes upon us which are distributed with heavy mandates...many of these tying the hands of the nation to protect itself.  We the People who are concerned about the welfare of Israel should be burdened with the support that might lead to strengthening them from their enemies till they are visited by God, as private individuals and societies.  In so divesting our government from this ploy to hinder Israel by meddling with the near east, we again return our country back to the wisdom promoted by Washington concerning entangling alliances...except on this one caveat:  Washington was talking about the European foolishness...that which the Bible says will lead to the great advocate of the one world government to unite Europe and the Arabian leagues into the ten toes constructed with a mixture of iron and clay, a tyranny spoken of by Daniel, one that will be destroyed as they come upon Israel to destroy her. 

            Again I bring you to this point.  ALL of the condemnations that you can find against the people of Israel through the Jews are found inside our scriptures and it is connected with the promise that God WILL RULE THIS PEOPLE (check out Ezekiel 20) and also save them, especially the “tents of Israel” (as found in Zechariah 12). 

            To marry our present distress concerning the IRS with a basic anti-Jew stance is dangerous for our country.  If you want to distress the Jew, preach to them of Jesus or let us lovers of Israel and of the Jew to do this, and resist all of their attempts to hinder the evangelization of them, hindrances which the Roman Catholic Church has capitulated to. 

            Our government sins in abusing We the people but it also sins in hating Israel, contrary to all the schmooze talking they do of her being our ally – for a real test of our government’s treachery, find out the REAL story of the sinking of the Liberty, and why the government, having been caught by Israel in a conspiracy to spy upon Israel concerning tank communications intercepted by the Liberty, sent to Cypress for the British to collate them into a battle map and give to Egypt, recalled the American planes to rescue the Liberty, when the Naval Dept. found itself unable to recall the Liberty itself from the region.  This was done by the JEW HATING NSA in order to throw a few bones to the Arabs to garner concessions for oil (and I am an oil geologist embarrassed by the oil industries’ intrigues in this).  There was no mistake, it was a deliberate attack by Israel upon the Liberty to render it neutral with the least amount of loss of life.  Driving the personnel below deck so they could napalm the aluminum communication dishes, and then torpedoing the one communication room under the water level to destroy the last communication threat, was the only AGREED TO solution, since the NSA who commissioned the ship forbad the Liberty to acknowledge the Naval Dept. at all...that is why a “communications” ship was unable to be reached for recall by the Navel Dept. Because of the stress of doing even this minimal damage to personnel of a supposed ally, a couple of the Israeli attack pilots had nervous breakdowns after the attack.  To be sure, the personnel who lost their lives were victims of this American Government who consistently goes against the will of the people to live their own lives under a chained down government. 

            I am able to read Greek and Hebrew, slowly of course in that such is not my first language, but I can verify as a theologian (though I am also a geologist) that in some manner we must not hinder the plan of God concerning his people in these last days.  The best solution is to get away from the “stone of trembling” as a government, and not interfere by insisting upon a portioning of Israel.  Joel reveals God placing a curse on those nations that do that. 

            Instead of Jew and Israel bashing, place our own government under the chains of non-interference.  Believe me, any “Zionist conspiracy” is going to fail because God insists that HE will rule the people and it will be JESUS, himself who comes to the eventual salvation of the land.  God will fight for Israel and we better not get in the way. 

            Also, if we as a movement are participating in this condemnation of Israel and Jews, we will not prosper.  I bring God to witness of that fact.  I am so desirous of our little cause to prosper, I have to resist the thrust of your currant trust in that other book and Carter...of all people. 

            For the original intent of our movement concerning the Income Tax and failure for our government to respond to remonstrance, I will be coming to the March 28-31 meeting.

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:06 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Give me Liberty 2007

Bob,
 
I am genuinely surprised at those of you who are making this evaluation of the situation, and its causes; and the 'faith' you place in the two professors -- and above all -- former president Jimmy Carter.
 
Carter has been and continues to be a dismal disappointment since he has left office.  His track record is less than admirable, and his conclusions of the situations we face in the world are significantly off base.  I would not base a session on the things he says about the situation, let alone an entire conference.  Nor would I give those who support this perspective the time of day.
 
Stick to the basics, that is what 'Givemeliberty' does best.  Point out where the government is overstepping its boundaries, not living up to its commitments, and is failing to support the constitution.  But do not lay these problems at the feet of persons who are not responsible.  It is the failure of our own government, and the liberal agenda that is leading us down the path to destruction.
 
If you will note that, while the white paper by the two professors is well endnoted, the endnotes are quotes that are substantially opinion, and many of those opinions are by persons who are not supportive of the true agenda which 'Givemeliberty' endorses.  They are the very ones who are for bigger government, more intrusive/invasive government, and who otherwise stand for less freedom, not more.  Many of them do not trust the American people, but think they know what is better for us than we know ourselves.
 
Besides this, if you want to see who/what is behind all this read God's Word.  Holy Scripture tells us the problem, and it is NOT the country of Israel.  However, do not make this a part of 'Givemeliberty' (s) agenda. 
 
Respectfully Submitted,

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:13 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Re: remove me

Dear Mr. Schulz,

Please remove me from your listing. As a former professor and Director of the
Media Center at [redacted], and as an Islamic scholar, I
take issue at your endorsement of Jimmy Carter's unacadamic work on the Middle
East. He book is filled with factual errors and outright falsehoods. I have
been a supporter of yours since day one, and as a Conservative-Libertarian, I
must chide you in your thinking that Mr. Carter's book has any value or has
anything to add to the discourse of the dire situation in the Palastine arena.

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:16 AM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: israel

I have supported your fight over our tax system but your attack on Israel is
unfounded. Jimmy Carter should have been tried for treason and deported to
Iran or Palistine. The Israelis have had to deal with terrorism and rockets
fired at them from palistine syria iran and iraq for almost there entire
history. That is not palistine land IT IS ISRAELS given to them by GOD.
Right or wrong they are his chosen people. I will not be able to support
your agenda any more. You have changed course so many times that no one
knows what you are doing any more. If you would concintrate on one thing at
a time you might get something done

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:38 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: mailing list 

I have been a member of your mailing list for several years now, both under this email address and a former address. I have forwarded many of the e-mailings to family and friends, most likely garnering givemeliberty.org quite a few additional members. I have purchased items such as CD's as well as contributed monies. 

However, if Mr. Schultz persists in persuing his new anti-Israel agenda, I will discontinue any and all support from your organization. I do not have any problems with honest, open debate on ANY topic, but Mr. Schultz's apparent anti-Israel slant is something I find offensive and will not support.  

Mr. Carter's book that Mr. Schultz seems to revere is replete with factual errors, which Mr. Carter has refused to debate (even the errors in his recollection of his own statements/actions from the time). Perhaps Mr. Schultz should consider discussing Mr. Carter's book with someone like Mr. Dershowitz, and then inform his readers in regards to his conclusions.  

Short of a discontinuation of the current anti-Israel diatribe, or at least a rebuttal of the revisionist history presented by Mr. Carter and apparently perpetuated by Mr. Schultz, I will have no other option than to discontinue my subscription. Until now, I have been whole-heartedly supportive of Mr. Schultz and his propositions, and I will be saddened if I am compelled to discontinue my subscription.
 


Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:05 AM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Re: Time bomb

Bob, as a pastor I really appreciate your work. However, I can tell you that will alienate your Christians constituents with an anti-Israel message and a pro-Palestinian agenda. It is not the Jewish coalition you have to fear, but the Christian coalition. In many circles, especially Biblically-based churches, believers have a pro-Israel mindset deeply rooted in theological convictions that present day Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy!! If you take an anti-Israel stance, you will not overcome Christian resistance to your organization. It is a ticking political/spiritual time bomb. Your stand on taxation is not understaood by the general Christian population and has already created hostilities in the minds of most. A plunge into the Middle East
dilemma will only add fuel to the fire.. As a Southern Baptist, the people in my circles have little respect for
Jimmy Carter or his solution to the Middle East. Be careful, you are riding the third rail, a political train wreck.

Spoken as a friend who wants to see you succeed, not an enemy.

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:50 AM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Israel Receives Tax money 

It is true that Israel receives tax money but they are forced to spend a majority of it back into the US economy.  The PLO also receives billions of dollars from the US government.  Where is it?  Arafat pocketed all of the money.  How much does the PLO have to spend back into the US economy?  0$  Why aren't you going to talk about that?  What about the billions of dollars we give to Egypt?  They don't have to spend any of the money in the US economy either.  What about the other countries we give billions of dollars to?  

Why don't you cover these issues as well?  I find it sad that you leave these countries out of your conference.  You single out Israel. 

You are about truth, justice, and fairness.  I would like to know why you aren't doing the same for Israel in talking about all of them.

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:15 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: occupied territory

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Dear Bob I have the utmost respect for your efforts to expose the income tax
fraud.I take exception to you calling palestinian territories occupied
territoris.I remind you that Israel did not attack the arabs but the arabs
attacked Israel with the full intentions of pushing them into the sea
Israel pushed back the (palestinian aggressors)arab offensive and conquered
the invading armies!  In MY BOOK THE ISRAELIES NOW OWN THAT LAND IF THEY SO
CHOOSE.TO THJE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS.LOOK AT HISTORY.THE ROMANS DID NOT
HAVE CONTROL OF OCCUPIED TERRITORIES THEY HAD CONTROL OVER THE ROMAN
EMPIRE.I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WHEN GOD GAVE ISRAEL THE
PROMISED LAND IT ENCOMPASSED A LOT MORE TERRITORY THAN THEY NOW CONTROL.You
can look at natural disasters in the US AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN OUR
POLICY GOES AGAINST ISRAEL WE HAVE SOMETHING BAD HAPPEN HERE IN OUR OWN
COUNTRY .WHEN WE STAND UP FOR ISRAEL THEN WE ARE BLESSED.I CAUTION YOU
AGAINST GOING AGAINST GOD.WHEN YOU GO AGAINST ISRAEL YOU HAD BETTER THINK
OUT YOUR POSITION CAREFULLY FOR IT IS AN AWESOME THING TO MAKE THE CREATOR
OF HEAVEN AND EARTH ANGRY.BEST REGARDS YOURS IN CHRIST
 

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:18 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Latest e-mail

I would think that your group would have better Fish to fry than Isriael.

Surly you dont remember what the Bible said about thoes that go against
Isriael.

but thats fine with me sir this just caught my eye .Usualy I do read what
you have to say and have for about the last 4yrs. only reasently have I had
isue with something that you have put in print.

Keep up the good work other wise and please do not think me snooty just
causious.

Thank You
 

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:38 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Loss of original focus will doom your movement

You started as a "Tax Honesty" movement which lead you into the
"Right to Petition Government for Redress of Grievances."

These seem to be important and unfinished initiatives that I could
support concerning issues that were important to me.

Now you are diluting the whole thrust by delving into 911 conspiracy
theories and anti-Israeli foreign policy.

I have sent my last dollar of support - please remove me from any and
all communications.
 

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:52 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Regarding your stance on Israel


Hi all, 

After reading your latest article about Israel I have some grave concerns. 

I do agree with some of what is stated but disagree with a lot as well, firstly I believe in the Holy Inspired Scriptures of God and that these Scriptures is what we should base how we live, the Bible should be regarded much more than the  US Constitution. 

I do not intend to quote Scripture to you here, but I am going to voice my opinion in defense of the God given Nation of Israel and it's people based on Scripture. 

God did in fact give Israel the land it occupies and that my friends Trumps whatever law "Man" can come up with to the contrary,
but Israeli people did not and have not heeded to God's commands and have since been in turmoil because of it, which is why there is conflict continually in the mid east.

I suggest that you read the word of God and find out for yourselves what the truth is. (Ezekiel 36:22-28)

I do ask Where was Jimmy Carter when the Israelis ( less than a decade ago ) were ready to give all the land over to the Palestinians and everything they asked for, for the simple admission of being recognized as a people and the Palestinians refused! Jimmy Carter was no where to be found and was extremely silent for some reason! 

I expected that LMM would have done their homework on what the LORD God has to say about Israel, and what the consequences are to the Nations that turn against the Nation of Israel. 

I am very disappointed that you view Israel in the way you do, I don't think it is scriptural and that is where we part company.

I agree with the work that you are doing to restore our Nation back to where it belongs but not this attack on Israel. 

I sincerely hope you open your heart to what the scriptures have to say about it and about God's Salvation for you.  

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever should believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. 

Thank you for your time

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:26 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org; firstrose@verizon.net; info@adl.org
Subject: WTP - Israel Issue Mistaken

Robert and Company, 

The following is historical events leading up to the 1967 War. 

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570433/Six-Day_War.html 

In the years before the Six-Day War, the Arab countries continually refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the Jewish state, and Arab nationalists led by Nasser called for the destruction of Israel. Egypt and Jordan supported Palestinian fedayeen (guerrillas), who attacked troops and civilians in Israeli territory, then retreated to the Egyptian-controlled Gaza Strip or the Jordanian-controlled West Bank. From its Golan Heights region, Syria regularly shelled Israeli farms. For its part, Israel refused to accept Jordan’s control of Jewish holy places in East Jerusalem. Israel also kept tensions high by responding to Arab incursions with reprisals on Arab territory.

In April 1967, after Syria heavily shelled Israeli villages from the Golan Heights, Israel and Syria engaged in aerial clashes. Israel shot down six of Syria’s MiG fighter planes, which were given by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Israel warned Syria against future attacks, and both the Syrians and Soviets were alarmed by the warning. Syria appealed to Nasser for backing, and in mid-May the Egyptian army moved 100,000 troops and 1000 tanks into the Sinai Peninsula on Israel’s southern border. The United Nations (UN) had earlier stationed forces in the area as observers, but on May 17, Nasser called for the removal of UN personnel from several locations. Within days, all of the observers were removed. On May 22 Nasser announced the closure of the Strait of Tiran, a vital shipping corridor for Israel with links to the Red Sea and major sources of petroleum. A similar closure of the strait had been a major cause of the Suez Crisis in 1956; Israel had made clear since then that it would regard another closure as an act of war. Israel was further alarmed when Egypt and Jordan signed a treaty placing the two armies under a joint command. Despite a flurry of diplomatic effort, war seemed inevitable. 

It was no different than what we are seeing now on our Southern Border except that Artillery shells are not being lobbed and illegal aliens are not using car bombs to kill Americans, just cars, guns, and knives. 

Sadly, Carter has a vested interest in making himself right regarding this issue due to his Peace Prize and the Sadat-Begin Accord. 

Sadly, just as his presidency, he is still not credible.  Even siding with his words harms our credibility. 

The Professors you write of, well they are obviously ignoring the facts of the growing power of the Arab League at that time, and the fayedeen and the shelling from the Golan. 

As for the ADL, well that article is an old Michael Marcavidge Article that included me at one tiem until I e-mailed the ADL and charged him with violating one of the Seven Laws of Noah regarding bearing false witness. 

Statements about me were retracted and my differences remained political not racial by any means. 

Carter and these professors just like the Arabs have found a vested interest in keeping this cause alive and not facing the facts of how the Arab contributed to this situation, which goes back to Colonial Britton changing the name of the land to  Palestine (based on Philistia) to try and renege on the Balfour Declaration, which was the payment to the Jew who invented the non mercuric primer for the British government bounty during WWI to keep the troops supplied. 

He was asked to name his price as a reward, he said Israel. 

If the ADL had any idea how much in heart and spirit John B. Kotmair, Jr. has supported discussions and seminars supporting the existence of Israel as a valid Nation with a History of Righteousness and justification, the foundation of Our Nation, they would feel so ashamed after they overcame their shock. 

UIn fact it was because of Mr. Kotmair that I had the opportunity to meet the only American involved in the taking of Jerusalem in 1967. 

We would have to fogive them for their ignorance, just as they would have to forgive you for listening to Carter's ignorance. 

Land for Peace by the account above is like giving the gun back to the guy shooting at you for no cause. 

Land for Peace is no different than Liberty for Security. Asinine. 

I hold evidence of our nation having supplied Israel's enemies, again because I knew Mr. Kotmair, his associate, and met a man who demilled so mcuh American Equipment at Kalia Arms in Israel. 

Although G-D will insist in the end being Israel's sole defender in the final Battle, our nation has no excuse supplying arms to its immediate adversaries for political or financial gains. 

Our Congress had no business giving the PLO money for a Seseme Street type program that teaches children to grow up to be suicide bombers. 

I used to shudder in shame at my nations duplicity towards Israel.  Now that it has judged me without actual consideration of my speech, I know judgment is upon us for our lawless wickeness within and without.