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-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Goltz [mailto:texas.freeman@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:44 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: U.S., Israel and AIPAC: “No, Thank You”;
Palestine: “Yes, Thank You”
Dear Bob,
It is
amazing to me how much narrow-mindedness and prejudice we
have in the "truth and honesty" movement. It is a testament
to the powerful effect that the government, the schools, and
the media have had on the American people. Based on the
comments expressed in the e-mails you posted, it is apparent
that many have lost any desire to think, to discern and to
analyze. One is led to ask: "Are they ready for
self-government?" Can they handle freedom? Or, must they
continue to be ruled by the use of propaganda?
Thank you
for your noble efforts to shed light on a most serious and
sensitive topic. It is a shame that people who profess to
want to exercise and enjoy First Amendment Rights have no
desire to extend that freedom to others.
"If ye love
wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home.
Leave us in peace. We seek not your counsel or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your
chains set upon you lightly and may posterity forget that ye
were our countrymen." Sam Adams
Hank Goltz
PS: No need
to redact my name or e-mail address.
Sent:
Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:08 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: great article
This latest
article is a wonderfully done piece.
The
questions are appropriate and thought provoking.
Unfortunately
I can already hear the "Yes, but....." already being
verbalized by so many of the uninformed. Minds are so
cluttered with lies and are so closed. How dare anyone
suggest that they open up their eyes and see other sides of
issues.
Thank
you for what you have done here. I think that you should
put out a call for those that that are inclined to and are
on the same page with you to set aside a time each day to
earnestly pray for the outcome that Christ would want and as
you alluded to, taught.
I
will be praying and thanking God every day for a positive
outcome for our Constitution and country. I hope others can
also for I believe in the power of combined prayer.
Thank
you!!!!
Robert
Sent:
Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:23 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org;
Subject:
US, Israel and AIPAC
I like the
idea that you are pursuing the course of questionable
involvement regarding the free ride Israel is receiving from
the US without a national vote. American politicians are all
in the pocket of the Israeli lobby groups. It is
unconstitutional and you have raised many questions. The
problem is that you are inferring your own argument about
palestinian demise while there are more legitimate
unconstitutional reasons that have nothing to do with the
Palestinians.
I am not a
supporter of Israel and I do believe there are many
legal reasons we should not support Israel. National
Security is just one small reason. Corruption of the
constitutional process is the real reason I am writing.
Sheer ignorance on behalf of bible thumpers in the US is
another reason we should pursue the unconstitutional support
of Israel. I read nothing about bible thumping support in
your arguments. Yes the Palesinians are receiving a bum
deal, yet there is very little monetary support for
palestinians coming from other middle east countries who are
oil rich. The ignorance in the US for support of Israel is
paralleled with the ignorance for Palestinian support in the
Middle East. The palestinians are just an excuse for
mid-east aggression towards the west.
Pursuing
criminal fundamentalist actions on behalf of the US is the
path we should pursue to prove Israel is wrong in its
aggressive stance against the Palestinians and the mid-east.
Corruption of the constitutional process on behalf of the
Senate, Congress, and lobby groups for their unanimous
support of weapons trade, fraudulent banking practices
and unconstitutional business practices should be the real
reason you need to bring this whole scam to light.
Ron
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:26 PM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: RE: U.S., Israel and AIPAC
Hello,
Thanks ever so much for your inspiring essay on Biblical
“His-story”, constitutional rights, and how these relate to
U.S. foreign policy. I thoroughly applaud your “opening up
this can of worms.” I’ve forwarded your email about this to
a number of my friends, including people on both the far
left and far right. I think it is vitally important for
people on the “left” to understand that Constitutionalists
are standing up for everyone’s rights (not just their
own), and that people on the “right” understand that
killing, maiming, and denying people’s rights is in no way,
shape or form a Christian value. Hopefully, your essay will
make people on both sides of the fence “see the light” for
perhaps the first time!
Regards,
Stephen
From: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:38 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Documentary on US Foreign Policy
Documentary on US Foreign Policy
The narrator speaks Dutch for the first
minute and a half, but most of the film's content is derived
from English interviews. The fifty one minute documentary
was a program from the Dutch VPRO ("Liberal
Protestant Radio Broadcasting Company").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPRO
This Dutch
documentary was created as a result of the controversy
created by Mearsheimer and Walt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3497308896275775092&hl=en
Sent:
Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:50 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: I Agree With You
Hi, Bob!
I recently
found the WTP website and signed onto the email list. I
found out about GML 2007 a little too late to attend, but
hopefully, I'll be able to help out in other areas as they
come up.
I just read
your email regarding U.S. support of Israel, along with the
comments you received from those who do not agree with you.
I want to
tell you directly ~ YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!
Don't let
those who are ignorant sway you away from walking the path
of a true human being.
It astounds
me how people are so righteous about causing pain to others
yet consider themselves good "Christians", "Jews",
whatever. I seriously doubt that any person who currently
disagrees with you would still disagree with you if they
were living in Palestine at the time of the overthrow and
they were the ones being massacred & ousted from their
homes, just as I doubt that they would disagree with you if
they were directly subject to the treatment that Israel
currently gives to
What is at
the root of all this is that fact that the U.S. media is not
telling the American public the truth about what is going on
in Israel and how it treats its own non-Jewish citizenry and
neighbors (like invading Lebanon an average of every 6 years
~ think of it ~ we give $$ to Israel, they use it to blast
Lebanon, we send $$ to Lebanon to rebuild, then Israel does
it again! I don't consider Israel a very good ally if they
needlessly & carelessly waste my $$ that way ~ it's as if
they consider the U.S. taxpayer a mule to just work & work &
work, so they can take our $$ and destroy what we just built
'cause we're stupid enough to give them more $$ so they can
do it all over again); nor the true history of Palestine and
how Israel came to be (like David Ben Gurion boasting he was
the "father of terrorism" back when Zionists were publicly
displaying mutilated British bodies). I could go on forever
with this stuff.
What's even
more ironic is that when ignorant people are faced with the
facts ~ they don't want to hear it ~ it's as if their minds
can't tolerate the truth ~ it doesn't fit into the paradigm
they've been brainwashed with by Jewish run media in this
country, so they put up a blank wall and call the messenger
of truth a liar, confused, misinformed, or worse ~ "anti-semitic"!!!!
(oh, no!) ….
Below is a
message that an acquaintance delivered to Congressman Ron
Paul for me when he was speaking in Scottsdale, AZ.
Considering the fact that the treatment described is also
done to American Jews, I dare say, I doubt any of your
critics would agree to it being done to them ~ even if
performed by "God's chosen people". I sent a copy of it to
(redacted), I think he went to GML 2007. I don't know if he
shared it with anyone there.
Keep up the
good work, Bob. I totally agree with you ~ my $$ should not
be used to do bad things to people ~ no matter who is doing
the doing.
Walk in
Beauty ~
[signed]
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:45 AM
To: Bob Schulz
Subject: GML2007
Bob, I feel the sessions regarding
the Israel Lobby and the whole treatment of the Middle East
Issue was very well done and addressed fairly; To me it was
a highlight of the conference (along with Ed Griffith's
talk). I sincerely believe you uncovered a real
breakthrough to not only peace in that region, but moreover,
the solution to the war on terror; I also think your
latest update was particularly well done, addressing this
issue squarely; It take an enormous amount of courage to
stand up to the kind of emails you received. Thanks for
all you do, and thanks for a great conference. We'll keep
in touch.
[signed]
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:12 AM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Regarding the Holy Sciptures/How Well
Informed Are We?
It's almost
unbelievable that the people who quote the scriptures in
defense of a runaway Israel government intent on genocide of
the Palestinians are so ill informed. It's also easy to
understand -- in light of the fact that the mainstream media
has blacked out any and all reports of the inhuman treatment
of the Palestinians.
In reading
your list of questions in defense of your stand on the
Israel/U.S. Government/Palestinian issue, how about these
questions:
Isn't it
true that, in order to be considered a Semite, one has to be
a descendant of Shem, a son of Noah?
Isn't it true
that, according to Jewish historians, only about two percent
of the people who call themselves Jews today are descentants
of the original tribes of Israel?
Isn't it true
that only descendants of Shem are considered to be Semites?
Isn't it true
that, unless one is a descendant of Shem (a Semite), the
term "anti-Semitic" does not apply to them?
Isn't it true
that only Jews who are descendants of the original tribes of
Israel are true Israelis?
Isn't it true
that, according to Jewish historians, 98% of the people who
call themselves Jews today are actually Kazarian Jews,
descendants from the Turkish country of Kazaria?
Isn't it true
that, according to Jewish historians, Kazarian Jews adopted
Judaism sometime around 900 A.D. and are not descendants of
the original tribes of Israel?
Isn't it true
that the Bible refers only to the original tribes of Israel
-- not Kazarian Jews?
Isn't it true
that Kazarian Jews, who are not from the original tribes of
Israel, are not referenced in the Bible and are not covered
by the Word of God in the Bible?
Isn't it true
that, according to Jewish historians, increasing numbers of
Jews are not in agreement with the stance of the present day
government in Israel?
People who
insist that God is involved in, and approves of, the illegal
establishment of a State of Israel, which was formed by
lands stolen from their legal inhabitants are sadly
misinformed.
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:00 AM
To: Bob Schulz
Subject: the Israeli-us income tax connection is new
to me, thank you.
Bob,
I
figured there would be fallout stepping into the bees nest
that is the middle east. But if there ever was a man with
courage and conviction I believe the Holy Spirit has and is
guiding your decisions and I want to say thank you and be
encouraged for as I follow your life’s work over the years
through thick and thin knowing full well you are no stranger
to controversy, I feel compelled to send words of
encouragement and grace. I enjoy your ability to express in
publication clear thought fair analysis and loving concern
it is truly a work of art and a wonderful experience
reading. I consider you a chief example of how to get the
point across without being divisive conniving or derisive.
It is truly amazing to watch you work.
Be
encouraged get some rest and know that at least I thank God
for you daily in prayer and consideration. cp
Like
everyone else there are good Jews and bad Jews. Evil knows
no distinction.
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:44 AM
To: Robert Schulz
Subject: U.S support of Israel
Dear
Mr Schulz,
I read
your email/newsletter tonight with much interest.
I am
neither Christian nor Jew. I want you to know that I FULLY
SUPPORT your efforts to create dialogue about America's
unwavering support of Israel. I applaud your bravery!
I have
long believed that our government treats Israel as if it
were the 51st state of the Union! All of the problems we
face vis-a-vis, terrorism, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc, are
because of our foreign policy over the last sixty years.
This includes our governments unwavering support and
advocacy of the sovereign nation of Israel.
Enough
is enough. It is time to start talking about that
relationship and to expose the amounts of American tax
dollars that are wasted with our involvement in the Middle
East. I thank you for bravely broaching the subject.
Sincerely,
[signed]
American
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:31 AM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Good Video...Detailing Media Coverage Of
Israel/Palestine Situation!
Bob, you are a brave man! This video was very moving to me,
showing the lopsided coverage of the conflict.
Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land: Media & the
Israel-Palestine Conflict - Google Video
Sincerely,
[signed]
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:42 AM
To: info@givemeliberty.org; bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: U.S., Israel, & AIPAC
I must
commend your article on the U.S., Israel & AIPAC. I am so
grateful that someone has finally went against the
mainstream belief that Israel is some "Christian" nation on
the verge of fulfilling some prophetic task. (although where
that is in the bible I certainly can't find).
It
certainly took a tremendous amount of courage to write that
article and I hope that continues! If true Americans are
"Christians" than it certainly would be beneficial to search
for answers to those basic questions you propose in the
article. It would be a tremendous first step on the road of
truism! REAL TRUTH! I fear that won't happen though, we are
too comfortable with our paradigms and traditions and way
too content in our own form of godliness!
I am sure
you will receive many negative letters, and will lose some
support, however I look at it like weeding out the tares!
Please don't apologize for printing solid facts and asking
some legitimate thought provoking questions. The article was
not racist in anyway, and in deed recognizes we are all
spiritual Israel as taught in the Bible! Keep up the good
work, you have my support!
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:45 AM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: israel and the palestinians
As a member
of this organization, I believe that our american tax
dollars should not be supporting Israel or the palestinians.
I used to believe like many others that emailed you that our
total devotion to Israel was unconditional. I no longer hold
this view due to Israel’s turning from God’s word and we are
not supposed to support unconditionally government aipac
corruption, neither Israel nor the palestinians. When a
people stray from Gods commandments we are not obligated to
be unconditionally loyal. American government likes to
straddle the fence when it comes to playing both sides with
american taxpayers money. I hope others will eventually
educate themselves on this very important subject. I really
enjoyed reading your piece. I am not pro Israel nor pro
palestine. We are to love each other and let the God of
Abraham Isaac and Jacob take care of the rest. He doesn't
need our assistance, He is powerful enough to do as He sees
fit. Thank you.
Respectfully,
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:08 AM
To: Bob Schulz
Subject: Your April 7 AIPAC post...
...is the best thing I've
ever seen on your site. Well done.
Pete
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:28 AM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: I Pray for your Protection
I have been
receiving e-mails from you for a very long time. I attended
the showing of "America, Freedom to Facisism" here in the
Kansas City area. And very much enjoyed meeting you.
I
sent $159.00 to the 2007 conference so that I could receive
the CD and DVD. Am also supporting Attorney Cryer in his
efforts.
However,
when I read that you were attempting to have a real
discussion about Israel, I worried then about the back
lash. I will support you now more than ever but I must tell
you I am worried.
The
Zionists, especially the Christian Zionists are more
dedicated to Israel than to the Constitution of the United
States. Isn't a past President of the United States more
knowledgable than even us in the lay public?
I
haven't read President Carter's book as yet but I had my son
get me a copy.
May
God Bless You as He is on your side.
Please Be
Careful.
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:09 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: You're Right On
Bob---
Your are
right on to judge the acts and comments of our ruling elite
against the Constitution....including foreign policy.
Anyone that
has problems with that are un-American by definition.
I am
somewhat a student of human nature, and it is undeniable (in
my opinion) that hypocrisy is a much a part of religion as
is "The Bible".
You are
right in your last newsletter, that people pick out of any
document, source, or doctrine, what suits their belief
system and ignore the parts that make them uncomfortable, or
demand action on their part, or accountability of their
actions or comments. (In my opinion) there isn't a lot
positive that can be said about human nature. We are
largely selfish, inconsistent, hypocritical, unobjective,
lazy, and lacking in common sense. We are largely guided by
herd mentality, and VERY reluctant to have opinions or
actions that are inconsistent with the majority. No wonder
the politicians treat us like sheep. We act like sheep and
think like sheep. When "they" can get us to believe the
official stories of incidents such as 9-11, Waco, and the
JFK assassination, what other conclusion could you come to?
You are
right on the mark with EVERYTHING you have said and done.
KEEP UP THE
GOOD WORK, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATRIOTIC LEADERSHIP AND
PERSONAL SACRIFICES.
Sincerely,
Dave
Sent:
Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:04 PM
To: bob@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Zionism must GO AWAY
God Bless you man. Our support
for this Israeli fascism must stop. In fact, Zionists are a
reaction to thousands of years of persecution. That does no
justify their insanity - but it does explain it. Zionism
has been used by Britian and France to cause upheaval in the
middle east since WW I when Lawrence of Arabia found out
that the letter of promise to the Iraqi bedoins was
worthless - they were to get their own nation for helping
Britian in WW I. It turns out that BP had discovered oil in
Iran two weeks prior to the beginning of the peace talks in
Versailles, France, and the oil interests convinced Britain
to sabotage independence in the middle east. The Zionists
were brought in as a disaffected, lunatic fringe group to
keep everything stirred up and miserable - so without
"owning " it they could control the oil thru divide and
conquer strategy. WE, the US are the latest suckers to that
plan.
One Love [signed]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:09 AM
To: info@givemeliberty.org
Subject: Inquiry
Bob,
I thought you had some thought-provoking questions in your
last e-mail.
Can you tell me your specific religious and denominational
affiliation?
To truly discern the direction of an organization, it is
necessary to know the direction of the leadership.
All the best,
Barry
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