Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007
I can't believe that you are buying this bullshit from jimmy
carter and these "professors" who are clearly anti-semites.
Are you an anti-Semite? Are a lot of "our" fellow gml members?
I hope not, cause if you are you are going to lose a great
deal of support for the cause, which, if you will recall is
TAX REFORM, and the outing of the criminals in washington (and
most other politicians located everywhere). All of what you/we
have done UP TO NOW, I have strongly suppported, but attacking
the jews is NOT something I and many others will tolerate. I
am not jewish, but Israel is our only REAL ALLY on this
planet. All other nations are in it for what they can get from
I await your reply
Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:22 AM
Dear Bob Schulz,
I believe you are straying too far from our original intent of
proving the U.S. Tax system is unjustly applied to people who
are not legally required to pay taxes. You and I may share the
belief that many or our international problems in the U.S. are
centered around our strong support of Israel. But this is
certainly not the venue to address it. This is a distraction
that will dilute our original intent and lose much
needed support as well.
I beg of you to cease.
Monday, April 09, 2007 10:33 AM
I am no
longer a supporter of WTP because of your stance against
Israel. I have removed both of my email addresses from
subscription to the newsletter.
Monday, April 09, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: 2007 GML conference
I read your posting on the invitation to the AIPAC,
Palestinians and US Gov't to the subject conference. In the
posting, you asked a number of well-thought out questions
including the following:
"Isn’t it true that God promised to restore to His Grace the
spiritual descendents of the twelve tribes of ancient Israel
(not just the racial descendents of the tribes of Judah and
Although I agree with most all of what you said otherwise, I
believe it would be to your credit if you would rethink this
most provocative question. I find no Biblical reference for
your usage of the term "spiritual descendants of the twelve
tribes". This reference has been created out of whole cloth by
someone trying to mingle the "tares with the wheat" and using
false biblical doctrine to do it. I invite you to prove me
wrong. Until you do so, I am afraid the answer to your
question is "NO."
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007
Subject: Professors and Carter
The professors and Carter are so far in left field I am
surprise you do not see it. Also you are jeopardizing the
first and foremost reason for the fight, the IRS. This side
track is causing a lost of focus on the reason myself and
others have followed you. Please let it go. Carter's book
should not even be mentioned on the same page with the liberty
movement. I am quite surprised at this whole affair. If it
continues I will have to remove myself as a patron of "GiveMeLiberty"
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:26 AM
Subject: My donations & the Israeli lobby
Donations ~ I signed up in December for an automatic monthly
bank draft to support WTP for $25 a month. It happened once -
WTP missed January, February, and March...
What happened ?! I can't support WTP very well if my
donations aren't taken !
Israel - Even from merely a marketing standpoint, I am
concerned about what WTP is doing, now adding the whole theme
of taking on US support for the Israeli lobby. That stuff
ought to be looked into - BUT - is this something that WTP
ought to be doing ? Aren't others already doing this, and
have a longer running head start, and are as effective as
anyone can be on this issue ?? And then what's next, UFO's ?
the "911 Truth" angle ?
You risk much, not merely from needlessly ticking WTP
supporters off about their beliefs, however those may be based
on this issue, but more importantly you risk blunting and
marginalizing WTP from DILUTING the force and effectiveness of
the REAL mission and focus, the activities and effectiveness
of WTP - you are simply trying to take on way too many
Yes, you can attract attention, members, interest, etc. by
going after other subjects - but in the process you lose
organizational focus, you destroy organizational momentum -
AND you lose the interest and support of those who were
attracted by last year's topic, and the one before that - and
would thus doom WTP to a fate of finding and promoting the
issue-of-the-year, all without creating any lasting positive
You, and WTP, just cannot be effective and create lasting,
useful results by scattering your former focus all over the
map on a host of unrelated-on-the-surface issues - which can
only be tangentially connected at a level or two below the
surface. Stick to your knitting !! Do what WTP has done best
and most effectively. Do what nobody else is doing, and is
probably doing better that WTP could anyway.
Yes, other issues are important, and are a piece of the
puzzle, but you cannot be all things to all people - if for no
other reason - you haven't the resources, the staff, or the
time. For example, look at FIJA / AJI - they focus on one
issue, Jury Rights. Or the group that's working to pass laws
around the states to allow the growing of industrial /
non-marijuana hemp. Or the NRA or GOA... These didn't get to
where they are by scattering themselves all over the issue
landscape, but by tight focus, and sustained effort on that
tight focus. Learn from their example, and learn from past
WTP has already suffered much from the many fiascoes,
missteps, blunders, project starts-and-stops over recent years
~ Stop running from here to there on the issue of the month
program. Find out what you do best / what the most effective
and likely message-effort is or has been, and Stick to your
Pulling for WTP - Greg
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007
Subject: What does foreign aid or Israel-Palestine have to
After reading through the WeThePeople site and the related
links to the ADL site, I suppose I can understand your
antipathy to Jewish organizations. It angered me too that the
ADL would attack tax protest groups that have nothing to do
with Jews or
and have never attacked Jews. Sometimes the ADL seems more
like a left wing political organization than a Jewish
The total foreign aid spending in the 2006 budget was $31.27
billion. The total federal budget for 2006 was $3,047.773
billion or $ 3.047773 trillion. Therefore, total foreign aid
was about 1% of the federal budget. (See http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/sheets/25_13.xls)
So why focus on foreign aid of any sort (including aid to
Israel) when it is such a small proportion of the federal
In 2005, Israel got about $5 billion from the
gov and that is the second most money received by any country,
with Iraq receiving $10 billion -- http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/07s1279.xls.
Any number of nations, including Arab nations like Egypt,
Lebanon, the Palestinian Authority, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.,
etc., etc., none of which are free nations, received billions
of dollars as well. Why focus on Israel specifically? Say $7
billion (increasing it to adjust for2006) aid to Israel out of
approximately $3000 billion total
budget is about 0.24% of the total federal budget, a minuscule
As far as a tax issue, foreign aid in general, and aid to
Israel specifically, pale in consideration to virtually all
other federal budget issues. The only conceivable reason that
you, a tax honesty advocate, would focus on aid to
specifically, could only be anti-Jewish bias. The numbers
don't lie. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Now I oppose ALL foreign aid of any type, including aid to
Israel. But at least I keep it in perspective. I suggest you
do the same.
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Your Recent Article Slamming
I have followed
your movement for some time and agree with your views about
the IRS and the federal income tax but when you begin saying
Israel is to blame for the tensions in the Middle East I have
to draw a line in the sand. I read all of your so-called
"Isn't it true about the Bible" mumbo jumbo. Maybe you should
take a look at God's word a little more closely as I have. You
will realize that you are absolutely incorrect.
Are you one of
the delusional bunch that is too blind to see what's happening
in this country every time we attempt to assist in the
division of Israel's God given lands? Are you one of those
"Replacement Theology" folks that accepts that God's Church of
Christians has replaced Israel as God's chosen people? You
might want to re-evaluate your thinking before it's too late.
Bless and pray for the peace of Israel and you will be
When was the
last time you saw Israel launch a rocket into a heavily
poulated area of Palestinians? Terrosist groups in the Middle
East are made up of muslims that are hell-bent on seeing
Israel destroyed. They have made it abundantly clear that they
can't govern themselves. Look at the aftermath of the removal
of Jewish settlements from the Gaza Strip. Even when Israel
was at war with hezbollah in Lebanon last year they would drop
leaflets in civilian areas warning them to leave before
launching an attack.
welcome to continue with your free speech rights but God help
you if you continue saying what you're saying. I'll pray for
God to open your mind to the "TRUTH".
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:14 PM
For many years I have been in full support of your
efforts concerning the government of the
running over our rights as American citizens. I have agreed
100% with all you have said. However; I must say that when I
received your latest report that speaks against our support
for Israel, it caused me to be very troubled by your view.
Maybe it does appear that
has given all of the support to Israel that you mentioned.
But, I believe that is in keeping with what the bible teaches
us to do. God said that he would bless those that bless Israel
and he would curse those that curse
Israel. I also believe that is why
been the nation it has been all these years. However; our
nation is quickly eroding in every way. If you don’t believe
in the bible then none of this will matter to you. But if you
do believe then maybe even you will agree with me, that the
sick and diseased government system that is ruling us in
America today is a direct result of a nation that has turned
it’s back on God. Man thinks he is so smart. Even smarter than
God himself. But any fool can see that the more we have taken
God out of our government, the sicker we have become as a
Having watched the direction the anti God government
has taken our country, I would rather trust in the blind faith
of the Almighty God and his word than to follow mans wisdom.
I am not a Jew. I’m just a southern born man that
believes there is someone greater than mortal man. I choose to
believe his promise to bless me if I bless
If you really believe what your last report is
advocating, then I am most disappointed to know that and must
sadly request that you remove me from your mailing list.
Sent: Tuesday, April
10, 2007 9:44 PM
I whole hearted supported you when
you were working on taxes and redress. Now that you have
political rant instead of addressing the constitution, I
can no longer send you any money.
Therefore, If I am not paying, I do not feel it is right
to receive your rants.
When you start back on constitutional issues, let me know
and I might start supporting you financially once again.
I am blocking your address from my
accepted email, sorry, but your desired results have
changed and you have
almost become Al Gore's mouth piece.
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:05 PM
(The apple of Gods eye)
I have been a supporter of yours for a long time and forwarded
you web site to everyone I know. I agree 100% in the
Constitution and protecting America based on the Constitution,
I feel that the lines become blurred in regards to Politics
abroad especially when you single out
and to insinuate that Israel is the cause of the "War on
Terror" is ignorance gone to seed. Please remove me from your
mailing list and may God open your eyes.
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: Israel Lobby & U.S. Foreign Policy
your Anti-Israel (Jewish) article have to do with your ongoing
fight to expose the corruption and un-constitutional status of
the Federal Reserve Banking System, IRS and personal Income
to your original fight and do not dilute your efforts with
negative politics which, for me, is a "red flag" of another
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:07 AM
God says that
he will bless those that bless
and curse those that curse Israel.
The entire book of Joshua is about God guiding the Jews
through the conquering of Canaan. Subjugating some and chasing
some off, but executing most of the inhabitants by the command
This time, the Jews just wanted less than 10% of The Promised
Land (to Abraham) and even the United Nations signed off on it
(though they expected the Jews to be crushed soon thereafter).
The land was sad and blighted at this time not being cared
for or developed by the peoples that resided there.
Soon thereafter, they were attacked from all sides by forces
that outnumbered them at least 4 to 1. If God had not wanted
them there, this would have been the time to push them out.
Against all odds, the Jew were victorious. The enemy had
crumbled and scattered just like in Joshua's day. God had put
fear in their hearts, evidenced by the finding of perfectly
good Russian tanks that not seen combat but were abandoned
with their engines still running. I would bet that you still
require more evidence and miracles to convince you.
Two more wars followed. Each time the Jews were outnumbered
and surrounded, yet they saw victory and took more land from
the attackers to be used for buffers and bartering. If God
wasn't ready for them to reoccupy Israel, these would have
been good times to have them pushed out. That must not have
been the case.
Yes, Yahweh God is a god of love, peace, grace and forgiveness
but never forget that He is a god of holiness and justice and
full of wrath for those that ignore and oppose his will. He
punished His People, the Jews, whenever they, or their
leadership, turned away from him. In the current age, God had
to use Hitler to force the Jews to come back to their
homeland. They were content in Europe and America and it was a
hard hand that had to be used to make them flee back to
Israel. So, it cannot be said that God didn't want them in
Israel, He forcibly made them return to the land.
Regardless of any mishaps and incidents that may have occurred
between our two nations, I support the Jews in Israel
wholeheartedly. It is God's will. You may have a soft spot in
your heart for the Muslims and terrorists and want to give
them the land of the Jews but that is your own decision. God
will be keeping track.
I keep checking the news to see when the next Jewish homicide
attack happens. I am still waiting for Jews to hijack an
aircraft and maybe even fly it into a building. I'm looking
for the incidents where Jews have murdered people because they
weren't Jewish or had converted from Judaism. I haven't seen
any beheadings of political captives in Israel. All I have
seen are a people that are constantly having to defend
themselves from enemies and "friends" alike. A people that
are pressured into giving up more and more of their tiny
country to appease their "friends" in their vain attempt to
gain peace in their land with their enemies. If we in the
had to endure the same level of terror from a specific group
of people, we'd be damned sure of doing something about. Why
don't we allow Israel the same privilege?
As far as using the war on terror as an excuse to create a
police state, you are way behind. The first attempt that
congress made to impose an income tax after the War of
Northern Aggression signaled the beginnings of the police
state in the
The first laws restricting firearms ownership also expose the
efforts of congress to create a police state. The first laws
on drug prohibition gave more power to the government to
enforce the police state. We've been in a police state for a
long time. The Constitution is the only thing that restricts
its growth to a crawl.
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:49 AM
and We the People
I am and I
continue to be a supporter of our organization. Please be
aware that the entire notion that you have promulgated about
the poor Palestinians is without merit. They are not down
trodden or oppressed by Israel. Keep in mind that if you had
studied the history of the area you would have been aware that
when Britain partitioned the area that they called Palestine
it was not a nation or political entity at all. If you study
the partitions you would realize that it was never intended
that Israel would survive the granting of statehood. Most of
the Palestinians left on their own, believing that in a few
hours or days that they would return and the Jews would be
gone. This didn’t happen.
Then you stated
that the ’67 war was a preemptive attack by Israel against its
peaceful Arab neighbors that had only the best intentions for
Israel. The facts were that the Palmach and Haganah had
uncovered a plot by ALL their Arab neighbors to attack
and overrun Israel and thereby solve the Jewish issue. There
are far more details that could be presented that support the
events as I have stated them. If however you have a bias
against Israel then you would ignore them also.
It would appear
to me that even without any formal treaty it behooves us to
support the only Democratic republic in the area of the
Middle East which was one of the prime directives of our
founding fathers. The Palestinians do not now have nor have
they ever had a democratic governing body. To say and imply
that the only reason that Arabs want to destroy us is our
support of Israel is again without merit. They hate all
democracies in the world. Their world view is that all
nations should be under Sharia law with Islam the only
religion. The poor Palestinians are not dedicated to making
life better for their citizens just ending the existence of
the Jewish state.
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: Qur'an supports Jew's right to the land of
In that mine was one of the first letters of
opposition to the trend of We The People to be involved with
the question of Israel, I want to be able to answer those
Questions for you that you submitted rather recently (my
e-mail was down so it may have been posted before the rally in
March 29-31). I am a Fundamentalist Baptist whose mother, way
before the birth of
Israel in the
1940s, reasoned from scriptures that the prophesies could only
be fulfilled if Israel was in the land at the appearing of
Christ on Earth. Very early on I have been confident that the
gathering of Israel into a nation governing the land of Israel
and the city of Jerusalem was the infrastructure building
work of God, as is the liberating of Iraq and eventually
Babylon to eventually be used by the NWO or the United Nations
to be the center of that demonic economical experiment we
anticipate as that being for the Anti-Christ. Ironically, it
is George Bush being involved with a two nation approach for
an Arab Palestine, thereby partitioning the land that concerns
me. Such a thing is actually condemned in the scriptures. In
that my throwing my lot with the We the People organization
was based on by understanding of scriptures and the liberties
that ought accrue for those people who love God and His
scriptures, I am concerned that there is such a hue and cry of
so-called patriots against Israel.
The cry should not be against
against our government’s usurpation into affairs better left
to the people. Divesting government of charity and
educational usurpations of the responsibilities of the people
not only would satisfy the bottoming principle mentioned by
John Locke which would allow atheists and Christians to be
able to live in peace with each other, or evolutionists and
creationists, or Catholics, Baptists and other religions, but
would get our government out of foreign policy charity when
such actually is the power of our government to control the
internal affairs of other countries who “benefit” from our
largesse, funded by the stolen monies from the people of
America, but whose benefices are laced with the poison of
mandates, which, in the case of Israel, forbids them to
actually defend themselves from the real enemies of America,
the radical Muslims.
My wife is Filipina, and her sister is married to
a Muslim from
Consequently I have precious nieces and nephews that I love
who are trapped in that Muslim religion. While the Arabs for
Israel folk below desire liberty of conscience for all
peoples, the radical Muslims have denied even the Arabs and
others in that religion to change over in the event of
conversions to Christianity.
I will defend my stance for the existence of
from the Bible, in that I am as much a Theologian as I am a
Geologist, in a latter post to you for your information, but I
thought this below was VERY interesting. Please understand
that my comments are not an attack on you, in that I hold you
in extremely high respect, and you did try to get the
perspectives of both sides, but even I was a bit blindsided by
this to put together a timely rebuttal to the concept that we
err in our support for Israel. Please understand that I do
not believe our government is pro-Israel. Israel is, indeed,
an impediment for our government’s desire to curry favor with
the oil-rich nations which supply the fuel for our
lifestyles. But the true protection of America is in the God
who is currently doing a work in
to bring the people back to the land for judgment and eventual
salvation. Christianity is, indeed, the only real game in
town, but we are nearing the latter days that even the Qur’an
below acknowledges, and when the Great Imam of Iran’s Prime
Minister comes on the scene seven years before the judgment
(exactly the time when the expected Anti-Christ should appear)
and this great deceiver delivers a non-militarized peace
treaty with Israel and requests all the Arabs to leave the
lands, mentioned in the Qur’an below, the Arabs will with
honor submit to that request from their form of Messiah, and
the West will assist them by moving the Palestinian peoples
and displaced Syrians (up to the southern portion of the
Euphrates north of Israel) to some place to the west of
Who Are We?
We are Arabs
and Moslems who believe:
- We can support Israel and still
support the Palestinian people. Supporting one does not
cancel support for the other.
- We can support the State of Israel
and the Jewish religion and still treasure our Arab and
- There are many Jews and Israelis
who freely express compassion and support for the
Palestinians. We Arabs also express reciprocal
compassion and support.
- The existence of the State of
Israel is a fact that we accept.
- Israel is a legitimate state that
is not a threat but an asset in the Middle East.
- Every major World religion has a
center of gravity. Islam has Mecca, and Judaism
certainly deserves its presence in Israel and Jerusalem.
- Diversity is a virtue not only in
the USA, but would be beneficial around the world. We
support a diverse Middle East with protection for human
rights, respect and equality under the law to all
minorities, including Jews and Christians.
- Palestinians have several options
but are deprived from exercising them because of their
leadership, the Arab League and surrounding Arab and
Moslem countries who have other goals besides seeing
Palestinians live in harmony with Israel.
- If Palestinians want democracy
they can start practicing it now.
- It will benefit Arabs to end the
boycott of Israel.
- We can resolve our conflicts using
non-violent means. Sending our young people on
suicide/homicide missions as a form of Jihad is a
distortion of Islam. We can do better.
- We are appalled by the horrific
act of terror against the USA on 9/11/2001.
- It will be better for Arabs when
the Arab media ends the incitement and misinformation
that result in Arab street rage and violence. We support
the Arab media providing coverage of ways that people of
all religions are and can live together in harmony.
- We are eager to see major
reformation in how Islam is taught and channeled to
bring out the best in Moslems and contribute to the
uplifting of the human spirit and advancement of
- We believe in freedom to choose or
change one’s Religion.
- We cherish and acknowledge the
beauty and contributions of the Middle East culture, but
recognize that the Arab/Moslem world is in desperate
need of constructive self-criticism and reform.
- We seek dialogue with Israel. We
invite you to join us on a path of love.
- Anti-Islam, Anti-Arab,
confrontational or hateful.
We remember with deep sadness and respect the brave
Arabs, known and unknown, who were killed or severely
punished for promoting peace with Israel; a special thanks
to President Anwar Sadat of Egypt who was killed at the
hands of Militant and Radical Islamists after he signed
the peace treaty with Israel.
We salute and commend Arab and Moslem writers, scholars
and speakers, who found the strength, commitment and
honesty in their hearts to speak out in support of Israel.
We thank you for being the pioneers that you are and for
holding such sophisticated and advanced views in the realm
of Arab and Moslem thinking. You are inspiring us all.
ARABS AND MOSLEMS WHO WISH TO POST THEIR VIEWS IN
SUPPORT OF ISRAEL CAN DO SO BY EMAILING US. WE WILL THEN
POST THEM ANONYMOUSLY, IF THEY WISH. Please send all
Quran:28:4 Behold, Pharaoh exalted himself
in the land and divided its people into castes. Asad(28,3)
 One group of them he deemed utterly low (The Children
of Israel); he would slaughter their sons and spare (only)
their women: Asad(28,4)  for, behold, he was one of
those who spread corruption [on earth].
Quran: 28:5 And We (G-d) wished to be
Gracious to those (The Children of Israel) who were being
depressed in the land, to make them guiding lights for
others and make them heirs.
message from T.Hamid: If G-d himself wants
to be gracious to the Children of Israel should not I also
be Gracious to them! May G-d bless them all and keep them
for the world to make it better and better.
in the Quran
2:47 Children of Israel!
call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and
that I preferred you to all other nations. 2:122 O
Children of Israel! call to mind the favor which I
bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other
7:137 And We made the children of Israel, who were
considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands
in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our
blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for
the Children of Israel, because they had patience and
constancy, and We leveled to the ground the great works
buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such
pride). 17:104 And We said thereafter to the Children of
Israel, "Dwell securely in the land of promise":
10:93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful
dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the
best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them.
20:80 O ye Children of Israel! We delivered you from
your enemy, and We made a Covenant with you to give you
the right side (the blessed side) of Mount Sinai, and We
sent down to you Manna (special food) and quails.
26:59 Thus it was, but We made the Children of Israel
inheritors of such things (the promised land)
45:16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel
the Book the Power of Command, and Prophet hood; We gave
them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favored
them above all other nations.
44: 32 And We have chosen them (the Children of Israel)
above the 'Alamîn (mankind, and jinns) and our choice was
based on a deep knowledge.
32.23] And certainly We gave the Book to Moses, so be
not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made
it a guide for the children of Israel.
[32.24] And We made of them Guiding Lights and leaders to
guide by Our command as they were patient, and they were
certain of Our communications.
[17:104] And we said to the Children of Israel
afterwards, “ scatter and live all over the world…and when
the end of the world is near we will gather you again into
the Promised Land”.
(Comment : This last verse proves that the Quran is
declaring that it is the will of G-d himself to gather the
children of Israel again in their promised land before the
end days. Accordingly, No Muslim has the right to
interfere with gathering the Jews in Israel again as this
is the will of G-d himself. In addition, Honest analysis
of the Quranic verses above leads to the conclusion that
the West Bank and Gaza are better called the “occupied”
April 11, 2007 1:17 PM
Subject: Question about lawsuit.
When will the page online be ready to list what is
happening to us now partially I believe as a result of
the suit. My husbands retirement Navy and Social
Security has been levied and now we are being forced
to get legal council to protect our other properties.
Is there any help for us now?
am a Christian and fully support We the People.
However, let me say that I believe due to scriptural
warnings, we need to leave the Israeli situation out
of what we are doing if we want the Lords blessing in
this battle. We already have enough wrongdoing by our
elected officials without adding this. I know that
the government in Israel is just as bad as ours but
Israel is the apple of Gods eye and he will judge all
of them himself.
am praying for all of We the People.
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:16 PM
I said pretty much all I had to say in my first response to
your new agenda. I will now cease to be a supporter, including
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Israel Lobby & U.S. Foreign Policy: Apartheid
Up until recently I figured you for a reasonably intelligent
man. But on the issues of
and I have to part our ways.
I take it that you don’t read the scriptures much…How can you
have such an anti-Semitic attitude?. Have you ever known of a
race to be almost entirely decimated and what was left
scattered to the four winds… only to come back to the very
land that was given to them 2000 years later… speaking the
same language as when they were almost destroyed…. What race
or nation has ever done that? I has never happened in all of
History. Do you think that was coincidental?
What race of people are the scriptures focused on from Adam
to Jesus? Palestinians? What lands did YHWH give
Israel was given
of the land from the
Nile to the
Euphrates… which part of that did YHWH give to the
Palestinians? None! At what point does YHWH make Palestinians
and Islamics His Bride? Never! The land of Israel is for His
Bride Israel…. It
was promised to her forever.
Now if you can’t count on YHWH to keep His promises, everyone
has a HUGE
Palestinians has never been a race or had a land of their
own… they are a mixed breed of several of the pagan Canaanite
cultures, but were mostly nomadic… because they had no
agricultural skills and were forced to move from region to
region to find vegetation and water.
flourished from the time the Israelites left the Wilderness
and crossed the Jordan until 70 CE (the Roman Destruction of
was destroyed the Land returned to desert condition. Why?
Because the so called Palestinians did not have a clue how to
care for it or nurture it and
because YHWH did not give the land to them.
Is it a coincidence that Israel again began to flourish, when
the people it was promised to came to settle it and when it
became a nation in 1948 CE?. By the way 1948 BCE was when
Abraham was born. Ishmael (Islam/Palestinians) inherited
NOTHING from Abraham… only Isaac inherited.….
Another coincident? You decide. I If
America ever did anything intelligent in the last 100 years…
it was supporting YHWH’s bride… Israel.
Be careful!... When you support
enemies… it pretty much automatically qualifies you to be an
enemy of YHWH.
playing a very dangerous game of supporting both
and her enemies right now.
The War on Terror is an invention of the International
to stir up profits for themselves…. They even staged the
destruction of the WTC to get the war ball rolling. Of course
the war on Terror is an instrument to accomplish many of their
other power goals too. It has nothing to do with Israel as you
have so mistakenly assumed.
But, you do have the freedom and choice to believe it was
Islamics and not remote control planes that crashed into WTC
Pennsylvania. You can also choose to believe that Jet fuel can
create enough heat to melt steel and concrete even if it is
physically impossible. You can choose to believe that our own
government did not send demolition experts in a couple weeks
prior to 9/11 to strategically set demolition incendiaries in
the areas that were conveniently evacuated at the very same
time while mysterious repairs and testing were being
You can choose to continue to blame
wrongly to satisfy your obvious and blatant bigotry. You also
have the choice to learn the truth if you desire to.
Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: [We The People] Israel Lobby & U.S.
Foreign Policy: Apartheid and Manipulati
Bob, I feel exactly the same exactly as
what this person wrote. First, let me say what an absolutely
awesome job you and your co-hearts are doing to stem the tide
of our eroding constitution and our rights. Without your
efforts I am afraid we would probably have lost the fight,
already. I have been an avid fan and supporter for some time
now. However, I am a bible believing conservative and, as a
result, am a stanch supporter of Israel. I believe that if we
failed to help Israel and it's people via thier government and
charity, then our nation is doomed. As the bible says, "I will
bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse
Israel." Therefore, I cannot and will not back you in this
particular effort - ever. I would ask that you reconsider your
position on this mater and see if you can be more specific in
your quest to limit US support for Israel. I understand that
there is always corruption in any government and Israel is
probably no exception. However, if we cease to stand with
Israel, then I feel there is little hope for America. When
evil is rampant we must stand and support the light of Israel,
even if darkness continues to rub it's shoulders in the same
street, house, synagogue, or government building.
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007
Subject: Foreign Policy endeavors
I am very concerned that you have chosen to water down you
efforts and alienate a potentially large number of your
supporters by attacking the "Israel Lobby" and any and all
support for the nation of Israel. You present a very one
sided analysis of the issue and seem to indicate you would
stand by and watch a second holocaust as Israel is wiped out.
Certainly there are problems with corruption in the state of
Israel - as exist in every country on this planet. And the
lobby that supports that country is not the only one in
existence - there are many lobbies that should be looked at -
from other countries and from certain industries - the Big
Pharma and the Big Oil lobbies come to mind first. Further
the idea that the world of Islam is only attacking us because
of our support for Israel ignores more recent events that gave
rise to Al Queda - the US aggression in Somalia. But this is a
divisive tangent which will destroy your central effort - the
right to petition and stopping the monstrosity called the IRS.
There are many areas where our government is way off the
constitutionaltrack, we can resolve these later as we get the
central issues undercontrol. A far more important issue which
has an immediate negative effect on the sovereignty of this
nation is the unconstitutional so called "free trade
agreements" (NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.) which lay the groundwork for
the North American Union and the end of Constitutional
governance. Why bother with one aspect of foreign policy when
we are very close to losing the United States of America to
Get your focus back to where it belongs. If you feel you
really need to stop the Israel Lobby, start a separate
movement, don't dilute this one.
Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:11 PM
I, like others, find myself staring at an immediate "red
flag" when it comes to opposing Israel in general. Mostly,
I've held that the scripture "I will bless him that blesses
thee, and curse him who curses thee" has accounted for the
sustained blessings of our otherwise corrupt nation, since we
have generally become Israel's only ally.
I would think twice before going out of my way to encourage
people, especially patriots, to abandon our support for
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Jefferson on the Koran
Bob, On the Isreal/Palestinian issue please read the below
commentary and I encourage you to look at History
International "The Sahara." It covers about a 1000 years of
North African history including the Muslim invasion that has
lasted until today. Religion transcends national borders in
the minds of men.
Important History Reminder
What Thomas Jefferson Learned From The Muslim Book of Jihad
Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim
States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on
Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to
during his ceremonial swearing-in.
Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo
more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S.
Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of
The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged
Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one
founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book
Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500
books archived in the library.
Ellison, who was born in
and converted to Islam while in
college, said he chose to use
Jefferson's Quran because it showed
that "a visionary like
Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be
gleaned from many sources.
There is no doubt Ellison was right about
Jefferson believing wisdom
could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time
the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims
he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary"
Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.
Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a
once well-known in the history of the United States, but,
today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who
centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands
Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary"
Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the
and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing
The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal
villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim
to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as
possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and
could be collected.
Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as
concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the
interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as
wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their
Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to
eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of
Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations"
major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be
performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the
subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.
When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776,
American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no
Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their
crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control
the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.
Because American commerce in the
was being destroyed by
the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to
treaties with the four
Congress appointed a special
commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and
Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.
Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the
Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the
slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to
seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.
Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to
American commerce in the
Mediterranean moving again.
opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for
and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He
league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.
In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France,
Adams, then the American ambassador to
Britain, met in London with
Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador
The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on
vote to appease.
During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's
Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with
they had no previous contacts.
In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future
presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman
answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet,
it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not
acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their
and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found,
make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that
Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to
For the following 15 years, the American government paid the
millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or
return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and
amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual
Not long after
Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he
dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in
Mediterranean, and informed Congress.
was going to spend "millions for defense but
not one cent for tribute,"
pressed the issue by deploying
American Marines and many of America's best warships to the
The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS
Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw
In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from
Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing
Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,
crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment
shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon
Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the
Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the
Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles
on the land as on the
It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the
defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.
Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way
and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about
He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the
from their own Muslim book of jihad..